Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? ME> Again. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. <<<<<<<<. I actually had to look that up. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. He wasn't positive. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. I found them both disappointing. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Take another listen. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. Please either stop or> shape up. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. or psychotherapists. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . at the > ceremony/orgy. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Orgy? Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. Was she the women at the party?" If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. Web .

1925 . >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? orpsychotherapists. Congratulations. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . Can it really compete with Rupert? Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage between> Mandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and the> Amanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drug> overdoses. Is that how youwould describe it? Orgy? >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery.

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