Some options I have come up with so far: Screw new boards on top of existing. Bigman | Jan 06, 2006 02:57am | #20. Ceiling systems generally use radiant heat, and central heat systems propel heat through ducts into every room in the home. Fix cracks and skim coat entire ceiling. bought a house from the sixties last year. In an attempt to repair it I found 3 cut wires. I checked out a building yesterday that had heating mats like this one installed in four areas. Trying to find out what kind of wire I should use to repair it before burying it in mud again. Absolutely bloody useless. https://www.calorique.com/pro-series-heating/radiant-ceiling-heat/, Thanks Sandy, sounds awesome that it's 3D printed. Warmboard, a leading radiant manufacturer, designates a separate thermostat for separate zones, enabling customers to minimize household energy usage. How is the electric service run to the grid? Try calling 800-922-9276. If we make no adjustments I think we will make it to end of February. Price Diffusers has a nice design guideline for using radiant ceiling panels on thier web site. I will have a professional come and do the work and getback to the discussion with the results. It is NOT all about heating air. It is a film type heat and my installers said it was easy to do. But how does it affect energy consumption ?? The simplest was the fireback, a decorated slab of cast iron placed at the rear of the firebox to retain and radiate heat. Periodic Inspection Reporting & Certification. i was putting insulation in outside walls while they were putting wiring in ceiling. Your claim that "A BTU is a BTU" is certainly true, but you said that in response to a point made that a "BTU is not equal to a KWh". It's an older system and I'll describe what I learned about it. Stat in each room. To my surprise there was power in all the wires even after i cut them. Though settings could be somewhat lower for other folks as we like to wear not much more than light clothes and everybody is bare feet. In one, we used sheetrock that had heating coils embedded about 6 inches apart lengthwise. It is darkest where the ceiling and wall meet. Radiant ceilings circulate hot or cold water through concealed copper tubing on the back of the panels providing sustainable heating and cooling with minimal air ventilation requirements. Improvements to chimney flues occupied many scientific minds. i want a new thermostat so this discussion help me deside maybe my son in law can not be the one to put the thermostat in. All of the homes were designed to be heated with a new type of system called radiant heat; Levittown was the first development of radiantly heated homes in America. Our house was built in 1985 and we had friends who had one about 1975 with the same heat, they loved it too! Radiant Floor Heat (all 3 levels),(2) Central HVAC units (heat & cool). In the bedrooms we have dark streaks on the ceiling where the tape is. This system is helpful in homes with low ceilings and small spaces. If you are sitting under a vent when the heat comes on, you know what I mean. I understand where you're coming from - it's a very common belief that you can equate a therm with the equivalent kilowatt and just multiply the costs to get a comparative answer, the truth is you simply can't. Compared to convective heaters, radiant heaters may be operated at a lower air temperature (Hart, 1981; Zmeureanu et al., 1988; Howell and Suryanarayana, 1990; Kalisperis et al., Is that a problem to repair and secure back into the ceiling? The main problem with your proposal -- to lower the air temperature setting of the thermostat and depend on electric ceiling panels to warm people -- is that people don't stay put, unless they are working on an assembly line in a cold factory (where radiant panels probably make sense). thanks. 18" from the ceiling joists) above each room thermostat. Thank you. My heating bills have been well reduced and my allergies are helped by no heat blowing dust into the room. Sounds like you are doing well with your set up. That said, many wonder why radiant heating isnt in more American homes, especially considering its popularity abroad (in Europe and Asia, 40 and 80 percent of homes, respectively, are heated by a radiant system). Alas, I've gone beyond the point of answering the Original Poster's question, and I don't wish to derail his thread. Space heaters work in the smaller rooms, but not in the living room/dining room, which has a 14' ceiling. Maybe you didn't intend to do so, but this is what you wrote. That is why radiant heat is far more comfortable to us because the radiant heat warms the objects in the room, making us perceive the room as warm. Reversing the wires doesn't do anything. my location makes a difference, because 1 electricity is ok priced here and 2, i do not have access to any other fuel sources :( About as much use as a bad bellyache seemed to be the concensus amongst users,now long since converted to wet systems.If I recall it was fed on the onpeak side of E7 via a T/S and contactor,and available 24hrs. the ceiling was torn down with new insulation and pour barrier installed. baseboards, radiators, etc.". It works fabulously. Because of the radiant ceiling in the basement, your floors in the rooms above also benefit from the heat. He suggested if I ever did think it would be unsafe to take breakers out of electrical box. Radiant ceiling heat, 1969 home, Trying to find ceiling joist with a stud finder.. it seems to be picking up radiant heat as well.. And don't confuse radiant versus forced air heat with electric versus gas fuel supply. That worked fine for supplemental heat, but it could not heat a whole house through the winter season. I checked with the electrician that installed my ceiling heat He asked me some questions regarding if there had been any leaks, cracks in ceiling, or if I planned to use it for main heat source. Here in heat-pump country we learned a long time ago that low-velocity high-volume systems are the way to go, and they make for a great, easy to manage background system. My condo was built in the 80's and apparently radiant ceiling heat was all the rage. There is usually a 3" wide by 8" long drywall repair that needs to be made. All of them work o.k., but the dining room ceiling seems to get physically warm to the touch. I've just purchased a metal framed ceiling light from AliExpress and I am concerned that it has no earth connection or double insulated Hi all - been an idiot / schoolboy error - drilled into a wire that drops down to a fused spur socket in the kitchen (for washing machine I think) Been called to help a friend who can't get anyone to look at his car lift until next week and it's stopping him from working. There is a 3-wire cable for each room that runs 2 hot wires and an unshielded ground from the breaker box to each room for 220v. 800 sq ft at 65 degrees only on in two rooms all winter and it runs close to 300 a month November -late March. 1. If you look at a simple termperature response curve of a various radiant elements, you'll note that different efficiencies (measured in terms of radiated and convected J/KWh) can be obtained in via different designs. In a well insulated home with the proper number of panels per the home heat loss . When i gutted the bathroom i discovered radiant heat in the ceiling. "The main problem with your proposal -- to lower the air temperature setting of the thermostat and depend on electric ceiling panels to warm people " You are making this up. A popular size of Calorique Radiant Ceiling Heat delivers 15.24 watts of heat per square foot. Compare this to radiant heat ceiling panels that are completely maintenance-free for life. I am unsure how to even begin figuring out what kind of system I have, I just know we love the heat and want to keep it. Any one run into that before, Just wanted to add an important warning to this post. On the bottom of page 5 you will see that it says "Buildings with hydronic heating systems have consistently shown lower heating energy use than equivalent structures with forced-air heating systems.". Not so much. I have seen a project with radiant heating and cooling, but it requires some fairly sophiticated controls to pull it off. Many of your observations apply only to poorly insulated, leaky buildings, rather than the tight, very well insulated buildings advocated on this website. was to put a couple dozen can lights in a 2 bedroom condo. These stones would absorb the heat and slowly radiate it outward. David, Many people shout the heavens 'heat rises'. Therefore, the bedrooms upstairs benefit from the heat on the first floor. I have others, of course, but only in a pdf format. Steve, Interesting info. We ended up placing simple electric floor heaters in those rooms. Here are two super-useful articles (10 to 20 minute read each): It is the MOST efficient form of electric heat. It's ~4,000 sq. Heat loss plays a huge role in how long the heat will last on your radiant ceiling heat. At the thermostat, with power to the system and the thermostat turned off, you should have 220v across the thermostat. Of course, Wright was ahead of his time in more ways than one, so it was not until decades after his death that radiant heat finally came into focus. 25% more in the 1950s house and 10% more in the modern house. For instance, in some radiant setups, hydronic tubes (or electric coils) are embedded within a slab of sluggish concrete that takes hours to heat up and cool down. Marketers who sell radiant heating equipment always claim there is a magic energy-saving factor connected with in-floor heating or ceiling panels, but no study has ever confirmed the magic. Mein Benutzererlebnis mit Cookies anpassen, Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, Recessed lights in a ceiling with radiant electric heat. I appreciate your input! I have the product in both of my homes. All answers were no and i wouldn't hold him responsible if anything happened. An Ecowarm radiant ceiling can typically operate in water temperature ranges of 80F-95F, while Ecowarm radiant floors will often operate in the 95f-120F temperature range. ft. in a cold climate with lots of glass. According to the Department of Energy, "Radiant heating has a number of advantages. Please help.. thank you in advance.. Do I need to do anything special to paint my ceiling that has radiant heat? Radiant ceiling panels go where other comfort solutions can't. With three mounting options, they can fit any ceiling space, helping to offset heat loss through perimeter windows and entrances. 1999). Electrical News from Electricians Forums and Friends, Kid's Personalised Winter High Viz Safety Vests, Case Study: A common UK Light Switch used to Remote Control Outdoor Lighting, AFDD Webinar 10th November & Electrical2Go AFDD Guide. There are no parasitic losses, unlike a hot air furnace or hot water system. When's the Right Time to Install Radiant Heating. The heat is in the ceiling and is presently working great. William, It may take about 1-3 hours to finish installation in a single room. Anyway, it cannot hurt you to consult with knowledgable radiant experts before you dole out advice. Kick the 'stat back to the mid-60's - who needs a hot bedroom? I don't want to just lay it up on top of the patch I put in (attic is above). I look into my electrical cabinet and wondering what are the reasons or when to consider some upgrades. I have never seen them in residential projects. Radiant ceiling heating works without vents or blowing elements, which make it practically noise-free. 4. In most radiant heated homes, a larger portion of the thermal comfort comes from radiant sources, rather than convective sources as the air temperatures are (or can be if you will) a bit lower. Idiots like this harm people all the time!! Hydronic systems also have pretty low distribution losses, and almost all of those losses accrue inside of conditioned space and are not fully "lost" during periods of real heat load, even if they're not heating the exact zone calling for heat. I have had people swear by this system, winter will tell. Copper tubing however, is able to handle temperatures and fluctuations without damage . Warmth is warmth, right? I'm new to this but stuck with an issue, so I'm looking for some help wherever possible. What can I do with this weird 2 ft cantilever. Now, they won't turn off. Here, the heat responds to thermostat adjustments, not gradually, but more or less instantly. It consists of a metal grid that hangs from the rafters and heats up when electricity flows through it (similar to how you might use radiant floor heat). And it is just perfect here Factors like the size of the room and the amount of insulation in the ceiling can affect just how well this type of heat works, but radiant ceiling heat is still a much more efficient way to heat a room than the traditional forced air heating method. When applied to the sizing of a radiant system, conventional heat-loss analysis often includes a reduction in design temperature from 70F to 65F and a 10% to 25% reduction in building air infiltration, exfiltration, stratification and glass heat loss. It may have taken a few thousand years to get right, but radiant heating has finally arrived. My mom has electric ceiling heat and she has a digital T-stat. In an era when energy costs were not so prohibitively high, it might have been fine to install an all-or-nothing system, one that offered no compromise between the off setting and full-throttle operation. 4.5 4.5 out of 5 stars (699) $879.00 $ 879. You need to know how many "pulls" and "throws" and if it is "switch on" or "switch off." They had full heat sheets, half heat sheets, and 1/3 heat sheets. One of the rooms heating has gone out. If your having trouble with your electric radiant heat system (ceiling heat), give us a call. Radiant Ceiling Heat Thermostat Replacement 9 Easy Steps Efficiently Heating And Cooling Homes With High Ceilings Rooms Dengarden Radiant Floor Heating When It Does And Doesn T Make Sense Buildinggreen Electric Radiant Floor Warming Doityourself Com Wps Most Power Should Be Red Tonight Wluk Hydronic Ceiling Panels Heating Help The Wall I would like to have floor to ceiling built in bookcases put all round the periphery of one room to make a sort of library. Still have continuity and 30 minutes later the room is nice and warm. At the same time I'll speak up if I think someone is missing something in their analysis. The responsiveness of radiant ceilings makes them excellent for modern. Electric radiant ceiling panels do fail, and I've also seen them partially fail. Here in Quebec, alot of folks have access to free wood (only need to chop it down and store it ) Also We need to repair one wire that the electrician cut into. Are you a distributor? A/C 15 SEER Heil heatpump system installed in attic with 95% efficient LP furnace with variable speed and 2 stage blower and 16 SEER A/C only condensor. Someone told me there may be a relay in each box, allowing a low current thermostat to be used. They sent electricians to splice the wires but no go. Thank you Mr. Kilbride for your informed comments. I have a new home and it has radiant heat in ceiling that goes back to the 1950's and has black pipe as coils. Performance. How can I find local installers of it.? 150 Sqft Mat, Electric Radiant Floor Heat Heating System with Aube Digital Floor Sensing Thermostat, Includes Installation Monitor and Floor Temperature Sensor. Certainly, there are aesthetic advantages to a heating system that does not force you to decorate around bulky radiators or wall-hugging baseboards. The inspector can tell you who the manufacturer was - we just went through a home inspection when we purchased our house with radiant ceiling heating. ), I ve personally visited a housenwith ceiling radiant panels, andi didnt like it Question for the people smarter than me: I'm repairing a corner of the ceiling with radiant heat installed. Electric Radiant Ceiling Heat 1970S Qmark Radiant Ceiling Panels from homeconceptaero.blogspot.com If you're going to work on your system, be careful, you're playing with 220v. When we replaced the furnace, we added digital thermostats with no issues in all 3 zones. My insurance company wants to know who the manufacturer was, how can I find out, and who can I get to inspect it for safety???? My daughter lives in an apt (built in 70s) with radiant ceiling heat. Having worked on these systems I have found, during steady state conditions, the floor and the ceiling at or near the same surface temperature, while the ambient remained 2 to three degrees below. Indem Sie auf Annehmen klicken, stimmen Sie dem zu. Amazon.com: ceiling heat thermostat. In winter, this situation is reversed with your warm indoor air moving through the plasterboard and outside of the home. Combine that with a nice radiant point source like a wood stove for cosy winter evenings and you have the best of both worlds. Mine is wire embedded in the drywall, NOT between two layers. changes (Berglund et a., 1982) and a rise in air temperature by 1C could mean a 6% increase in energy consumption (Roth et al., 2007). This Our condo (built in the 60-'s) has a ceiling radiant heat system. I'm really not trying to start a Riversong battle -- just trying to shed some light where you are misinformed. These differences cause some owners to be dissatisfied with the overall operation of the system. I am currently having my kitchen renovated in my 1965 home. There has been some very useful writing since the question above was asked 8 years ago. We liked to have our bedroom cold and the rest of house warm. Product Reviews, Experiences, and Technical Insights from Thomas J. Hesley. Show me where I proposed this. One crack at the end of the hallway is quite large. She was concerned because houses the age of mine that is have caught fire in th ceiling. Do I need to do anything with the wire if I do clip it, beside insulating the end? The fact that you equate electric radiant heat with electric resistance strip heating demonstrates an ignorance of the basic concept of *RADIANT* heat. Perhaps better than a carpeted radiant floor hot rod Not every radiant heating system maximizes homeowner savings. Why not just flip the breakers to off? If an `incorrect` 120V(single pole) thermo was installed, but not wired correctly, it could allow continuity thru the heat elements hence still heating BUT the contacts WOULD NOT WELD TOGETHER!!!! I'm going to look him up and call him to ask his opinion. You can get hot water panels. Check into a company out of Wareham, MA. Just after we bought the house, a friend wired in a light/fan fixture, so I started there and removed the fixture and base. I found this forum trying to see if it was safe. Our only concern is that it has radiant ceiling heat. Radiant ceiling panels provide a type of heat that feels natural like sunlight. I can email those to you as I don't have a web-based link to share at the moment. I read about it, and anticipated that we d be comfortable with lower temp, Another thing that I like are heat mats behind bathroom mirrors, in a room that is drafty or cold. 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