I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. What is of 2020s Britain then? Wholely agree. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. It's the name of the island ffs. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. It looks like BR. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. You are using an out of date browser. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. JavaScript is disabled. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Heh. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. Likes Received: 1,930. You are using an out of date browser. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. We use cookies. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? White letters on a navy background is the way to go. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Brunswick Green. Nothing to bring it all together. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. Electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright Blue which was as! 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